Justin Cade – 9 pages includes 2 sets of 2-page hot hard photos; and Cosco Studios star Paul Monroe – 7 pages of this star of Revenge of the Nighthawk, Nighthawk in Leather, Alleycats, among others
eBay auction – MANDATE February 1983 ====== JUSTIN CADE, Paul Monroe
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Oh, I remember this issue! One of the ones I stupidly threw away years later. The picture on the right was from a pictorial called “Afternoon of a Fawn.” I’d love to see the whols spread again! (No pun intended.)
EERIE – BJ, I’m convinced that you and I are communicating subliminally, through psychic energy! : 0
I almost complete my reply to this particular post, then you post “sweat, pants†featuring Justin Cade on April 18, 2021 – FREAKY! : /
I agree that this photo of him that you posted is very flattering! : )
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Once again, I figured I should respond on a different post, than the original one, being brought up!
Lately all your posts, BJ, get pretty crowded, so quickly! There’s more room for me to make my points here, with less distractions! : )
Redge Erb. “AKA†Justin Cade replied to your May 5, 2020 post; titled “cocks, etc.â€, on July 28, 2021.
Wow BJ! There’s no way for me to verify if his comment is legit; but a certain detail that “Redge Erb†brings up, makes me believe that this reply – may actually be true! : 0
“AKA Justin Cade†mentions that he posed for Colt, even though there’s no mention of any Colt work by Justin Cade, from either GEVI or smutjunkies.
It’s only relatively recently, that I discovered that indeed, Justin Cade did pose for Colt! I could kick myself in the head, since I used to own the publication that he was in! I’ll explain why I didn’t make the connection! : )
That Manfred Speer “hintâ€, you gave to Johnny Llama on this publication, was hardly subtle! : /
On January 1, 1987, Jim French released “Colt Studio Presents #10: Men at Workâ€. Here’s a picture of the back cover with the gorgeous, Russ Taggart!
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Gay Erotic Archives only lists these models – no mention of Justin Cade:
“Hank Ditmar, Manfred Speer, Mike Morris, George Dana, Ed Dinakos, Ryan Hayward, Nick Chase, Ray Mars, Tom Lee, Gus Kubeck, Andy Cook, Tony Romano, Terry Dixon, othersâ€.
Buck Naked temporarily posted some photos from this magazine, over at Retro Studs. Unfortunately, he soon withdrew them! I don’t know if he’s ever done that before! : (
It’s a shame, because I wanted to post a sizzling picture, from both Leo Hooks and Walt Ford!
It’s frustrating yet curious, why Jim French, credits and showcases some models, and not others. Some get the full glamour treatment, while others are just relegated to theme compilations, photo-sets, or calendars. : /
He took endless photos of Steve Kelso, and featured him in lots of calendars and numerous publications.
At one point, Jim Cassidy wasn’t on the website. Butch McAlister/John Towers posed under the name Stash Pulaski, but only in a photo-set. I don’t think he was ever in any publications.
I believe that Blue Blake under the name of Glen Garrity, was only featured in a leather calendar. There’s no mention of Richard Locke, even though he posed in a duo with Stutz.
It’s strange that French would insist on different aliases, for his models. Evidently, he was quite possessive. Why did he give J.W. King, the name Todd Avery? On the website, he’s listed as J.W. King aka Todd Avery. Go figure!
There used to be a website, which featured a number of other, unheralded Colt models. They also only posed for photo-sets, not publications. The website was later taken down. I wonder if Manfred Speer had anything to do with that! : /
I also saw some examples on Tumblr.
There are probably lots of “unknown†posing models, who are in the secret, Colt vault! LOL!
Anyway, the reason I didn’t recognize Justin Cade, is because he had a full beard, and a different name! It looks like French only took pictures of him, for the “Men at Work†magazine.
He’s listed on the Colt website as “Justin Kincaidâ€! Get it? “KINCAID†as opposed to “CADEâ€, WTF! He’s wearing nothing but a jockstrap, a hardhat, a scarf (?), and holding a power drill!
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For the record, I AM unequivocally, a fan of Justin Cade, but with qualifications. : (
How masculine a porn star looks, is what’s important to me; so ruggedly handsome, Justin, fits the bill, quite nicely! : )
With his big, dark hair, and “porn†mustache, he reminds me a lot of early, JEOPARDY T.V. host, Alex Trebek – very ‘80s and a fellow Canadian!
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Here’s another hot, flattering picture of Cade! The color is a little oversaturated, but it still makes for a nice, nasty image – hard as wood! Due to the setting, it was a smart decision, to wear socks! : P
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As a porn star, I can’t really fault, juicy Justin. He’s versatile and sensual! He’s among those porn stars that I can only enjoy, on a visceral, aesthetic level. : (
It’s really not his fault that I don’t find any of his porn scenes, completely satisfying! : (
A lot of his scenes are always on the verge, of really being hot and heavy! But then, some factor or the other keeps stifling the eroticism! It’s like visual coitus interruptus – so frustrating! : /
I also find this problem, with his some of his glamour shots. Some detail or distraction will diminish an otherwise, perfect picture! At least it does personally, for me! : /
I wasn’t going to post this, but then Parisian, brought this one up.
I don’t like when porn models use cock rings, or tie up their cocks and balls, to engorge their dicks with blood. The aim is to make their dicks more erect and bigger, but the “purplish color†(Parisian’s term) doesn’t look natural. : /
In the last post with Tom Chase, you see that he did this also. The natural color of his dick is puce.
In this photo below, Justin seems to have also darkened his hair. Some of his photos where he’s either lightens or darkens his hair look okay, because he has the right coloring. Other photos do not.
The DVD/VHS cover of “Turbo Charge (1988); is where his lightened hair, looks kind of ridiculous. : /
Balls don’t naturally bunch up like this, unless you’re cold, or going to take a dump! : /
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Johnny Llama brought this picture up. I think that it’s ALMOST a perfect picture! I also love his pink, “meaty†nipples! : )
I know this is nit-picking, but I wish that he didn’t have the rolled-up handkerchief, to wear as a head band. This instantly dates this photo, to the ‘80s fitness craze.
I can’t help thinking of Olivia Newton-John’s video “Physical (1981)â€! LOL!
I actually don’t have a problem with bodybuilders and porn stars, shaving their torso hair. But I know other viewers, do. It’s rather a nice variety, to see them either smooth or hairy – the spice of life! : )
It’s only when they shave or trim their bushes, is when I object – NO! : /
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Physically, what’s not to like about Justin Cade? Rugged handsome, with a great body, dick and ass! As I said before, I love his nipples and coloring. I don’t have any objections to this photo below:
His uncut dick has a natural, puce color! The army cap is a nice touch! : ) : P
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Here’s a butt shot that I like. He’s with his then boyfriend, Joe Cade. I think that his ass is fabulous! I will up Joe Llama’s quote with; “he’s got an ass to die, AND resurrect for!†LOL!
I’m not partial to facial hair – case by case basis. I’ve seen Justin without his mustache. He definitely looks better, with it! While Joe Cade look better, without it! It always just depends, on which face! : )
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Like many viewers, I first became aware of Justin and Joe Cade in Falcon’s “Splash Shots: Memories of Summer (1984). It’s the last scene in the movie.
The first scene of them walking at Muscle Beach of Venice California; immediately had me intrigued – both so handsome! Justin especially, looked so cute in his red and white, swimming trunks!
For the record, I hate fetish, fisting, dildos, butt-plugs, penis pumps, water hoses, enemas, traffic cones, fire extinguishers, anal beads, nipple clamps, urethral sounding, urination, whips, chains, etc. in all-male porn – BLEAH! ENOUGH! : /
I also don’t really appreciate finger-fucking, unless it temporarily is a prelude, to anal sex.
This scene started out hot enough, but then Justin started exploring Joe’s asshole, with both his fingers and hands, like he was excavating! His hands were practically used like forceps – TURN OFF!
It then gets worse, when Justin pulls out the giant dildo – totally lost me! Poor Joe! : (
“Not the dildo! Not the dildo! Anything, but the dildo!†LOL! You got to laugh!
This unused photo below really has me intrigued! It isn’t in the final cut of the movie. Evidently, this scene was originally supposed to be a flip-flop, between both Justin and Joe. Only Joe gets fucked! : (
How dumb is that, when you consider that Justin has an ass, just made for fucking – disappointing! : (
Why couldn’t the Falcon heads, forget about all that dildo nonsense, and included this in the film?! Lame – missed opportunity for a hotter scene! What a waste! : /
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Sure enough, the same thing happens in “Turbo Charge (1988)â€! Al Parker actually looks good with long hair. Justin also looks good with his hair lengthened. At the beginning, it got me revved up, but then it runs out of gas – left me limp! : (
I appreciate that Parker wanted to make a safe-sex video; honorable and noteworthy. I just wished it worked! It ends up being rather dull and clinical. ZZZZzzzz
At one point, Al pulls up Justin’s striped, underwear briefs, and gives him a wedgie! (?)
Later, Al spreads saran wrap on Justin’s ass, then rims him from the outside – no tongue contact. Then, Al fingers Justin’s ass, while wearing a latex glove. There’s also some foreskin stretching and “dockingâ€, which I’m not into. ZZZzzz.
Al finally does fuck Justin’s magnificent ass, but not “doggie styleâ€, which I prefer. : I
Don’t get me wrong, I like watching any type of fucking, but if you don’t include the “rump pump†from behind, I feel deprived and cheated. : /
It’s got to be “push, push, in the tush!†You get a better hydraulic view; that way, in my opinion. : )
Apparently, Justin only likes to be fucked missionary style, as least on camera. : (
Finally, let me mention Falcon’s “In Your Wildest Dreams (1987)â€, which I find especially disappointing!
This really could have been so much better; when you consider that Justin Cade has never looked, so handsome and masculine before! : (
Once again, Justin’s scene is the last one in the movie. It takes place in what seem to be, the largest in-patient doctor’s office, in the world! Justin makes for a very convincing doctor, wearing a lab coat and prescription glasses – very teasing and sexy!
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He later strips down to just black leather riding boots – kinky! Scott O’Hara is the nurse. Bosch Wagner is the “patientâ€. I can’t say that I’m a fan of skinny Wagner, though the colors of his eyes are a pretty, bright blue.
I find him way too creepy and sickly – that droopy mustache! He’s looks even more psycho than Scott Taylor! It doesn’t surprise me that Wagner, like Taylor, died of A.I.D.S. – risky behavior! : /
Scott O’Hara is also pretty perverse looking, but I can tolerate him more. When he isn’t “punked outâ€, he’s actually rather attractive. : )
This scene is actually pretty hot for a while, but then it goes sick and extreme, with all that fisting, butt plugs, dildos, Crisco, rectal prolapsed, etc. – YUCK! SPARE ME! : /
Sue me, but I wish it was more “vanillaâ€, with just Scott O’Hara fucking Justin Cade – get rid of Wagner!
It isn’t rocket science – big dick with big ass! : P
Here below is a picture of the three of them. Just look at Justin’s glorious ass! Tan-lines are forever! How I wish he would have been fucked, on all fours – missed opportunity! : (
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Oh well, as they say, sex is all in the mind! If porn isn’t completely satisfying, at least we have our imaginations; to complete the fantasy, of what could have been! : )
On film, Justin Cade is like a sexual dream that quits, right before it gets wet – DAMN! : ( : )
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I remember saying “purplish” about Tom Chase’s beefy picture, not about Justin Cade’s–although the Clone book about Parker talked about his “distended” cock. In this picture he’s got a cock ring (or something) that undoubtedly makes the Perineum so fat (and delicious-looking), but I don’t see the Prick as “purplish”. I think it’s the most desirable picture of Justin I’ve ever seen.
You do have the opinions, dear. I much prefer *Missionary Position* too (in porn and real life as well) and find it more perverted and sinful–whether as fucker or fuckee. Sometimes there can be a combination in which there is positioning in which you get the best of both, with the right leg held up but the Prick going up the Ass as in doggie. I never have liked doggie at all, but I think that’s a minority taste.
I think I’m generally more interested in porn stills rather than the action. With a few exceptions, I think I like the ones I like almost like sculptures. How they interact with other porn stars is of less interest, but there are some–as with the Cades together, and Parker and Toby (and I’m generally not a Parker fan, however in Chute, they were both definitely into it, and Parker was an excellent Prick-worshipper)
I didn’t know till recently that Joe Cade is often termed a “bottom”, obviously he’s a versatile. This picture you posted of him fucking Justin is lovely, and that’s one I’d have liked to see the whole scene of.
By the way, some balls do bunch up that way, without rings or bracelets (I wear snap bracelets because they feel so good, especially on the street), just like some sag. I’ve had 2 Puerto Rican tricks over the years, whose balls definitely were very firm all the time–without support, and that’s without trying to remember any more. Maybe it’s just not so common, though.
I didn’t care for any of the pumped looks, except briefly, nor any of Al’s “pussy-dick” things or shoving his balls up his ass. I like fetish to some degree, but not to his degree.
Also liked that picture of Joe and Justin side by side. Ultimately, they’re a smashing couple, but Joe is the most beautiful, characterful and charming–has more personality to, with that wonderful, quirkily shaped mouth.
I remember the Saran Wrap nonsense when it came out. Absurd. Like sucking condoms–not worth it, although fortunately they are alright for fucking, where they’re most needed.
Goddam it, Obsessed, you put so much about Justin and Joe, I just decided to reply anywhere. I have so many notes to take, especially considering what may or may not have really been a brush with death, and coming home to a lesbian-murdered computer (I can’t wait till the marshals come. My friend at NYC Housing Court said “I’ve never in all my years of working here see someone try to resist a marshal! They have FIREARMS!’ Great lady,worked with me a year, and i hope this disgusting pig does get escorted out with guns. I beat her fucking dyke ass in court and one word off these days and they would have thrown the case out, just like if I hadn’t gotten the paperwork perfect.
Well, with you, darling, I just have to catch my breath sometimes…I was interested that, even though you don’t like facial hair (and I don’t much either), that you like Justin’s mustache, so here we go again: i think he looks fabulous without the mustache, but the gorgeous chap seems incapable of smiling; I do remember when Parker missionaries him in Turbo Charge he smiles and is one hell of a piece of ass, easily taking that Prick so he can feel a MAN inside his ASS, just the way I feel about it….The photo in the *woodshed* or something, anyway shady and outdoorsy is gorgeous and his Prick is more beautiful than ever. Well, I do have some Fetishes, you’ll just have to live with it, although it’s curious that I would go with friends to the Eagle’s Nest back in the early 70s, and never could get into leather and such; once my first older lover and I thought we *should* get into S & M and tried to tie each other up, but decided it was way too much trouble, and contented ourselves with fucking and sucking. My fetishes are mostly huge uncut cocks, without any game-playing at all. My Prick is in no way small and is quite fat, but I like ENORMOUS PRICKS and love to drink cum. You mentioned a few other things I do like, like foreskin stretching and docking is, I think, fantastic—2 boys get to fuck each other in the DICK—but the “nasty” things I agree with you about, with one exception, but we won’t go into that. I definitely despise overdoing cock rings, although do use a leather bracelet that has some *give* to it, unlike the steel ones, and it makes my dick fatter. I love that.
I loather fisting, and have never had it done to me, and thought it was pretty creepy when I did it to other whores. I like to fingerfuck my own ass on the street which gives me an instant hard-on and makes me cruise my own hustler-style crotch (when I am feeling hot; as you know, I’m lucky in being able to do some of these things as a senior citizen, but one thing is I never gained weight, eat delicious food, and it’s genetic anyway), so I like to be subversive. Also I like to jerk off with the lights off but the windows open and sometimes snort a popper which combination is freedom incarnate (British Poppers are the best (and definitely the most expensive, but they are very strong, and you must use only the slightest sniff, and I don’t nearly always use them.) I’ve always been a terrible exhibitionist, and used to pollute in Catholic churches all over New York. It was so fucking hot, but I quit before I got arrested, thank Satan.
Well, you do remember everything, I’ll say that, and always have interesting points of view. I do indeed like some porn stills better than the videos, and have certain favourites framed in my living room that I can look at quite as we speak. Some have lasted since 1975, but I find I like quite a number of Pricks of the “Current Era” and worship them on Pornhub.
I think most modern culture is in decline, but Cuisine has only improved and gotten more delicious and refined, and in some ways, Prick Culture has improved. However, I’m still with all of you here in my love of 70s/early 80s Dick. Oh yes, I don’t like dildoes as such all that much, although I use one to keep my ass in good shape, and mainly before getting fucked (way too long now, I need it bad), so that there is ZERO pain upon entry of the Holy Whoretool.
Pain plays absolutely no part in sex for me, and never has. I have never understood anything but Endless Pleasure and have been fortunate enough to have had a huge amount of it.
I frankly liked all of the Justin pictures you put up, but he doesn’t quite turn me on as he used to. I adore his Missionary Possition Fuck, he understands the obscenity of it–which is: Whole Body Fuck, not just Asshole and Battering Ram, although I like that too as a diversion–but later on, then it really can be sinful.
if only OBSESSED had some thoughts and/or links on Mr. Cade……
Obsessed–somewhere else in your copious notes you were talking about Scott O’Hara, and I think it was some scenes with Justin. Scott O’hara is one of the ones I simply cannot embrace in any way. I think he was sick, both mentally and physically. I don’t like his bumptious attitude and his “contribution” to the *bug-chasing* and *gift-giving* syndromes. Even just reading him, it’s as though he is slightly hysterical in his defense of all unsafe sex. One of the things I just got at the glorious semi-jail/loony bin of Mt. Sinai was an HIV test, and I have been fortunate in never having gotten it after 40 (more) years of outrageous fucking and sucking. I credit it almost totally to always using a condom when getting a dick up my ass. Would I want the gift of HIV?
This was discussed in a post here some years ago, and I looked more into it, and the *gift-giving* and *bug-chasing* movements were HUGE! I was shocked. As indecent as I am, and love to be, I think that’s worse than any of the fetishes you named, although I hate fisting and such too. People that actually seroconvert? They simply must have NO LIFE. Everybody knows my personal favourite from the 70s is Toby, and he died of it. I don’t believe for a minute he was “delighted he got it, and we only found out about his 1993 death in 2010, and it was so sad. He was a painter, loved such things as backgammon, and loved his lover of 22 years”. Most who got it were not “thrilled by the sense of community it brought with it”.
But obviously some are. The problem with O’Hara is that he was the loudest mouth about it, and his words were like shrieks. It really freaks me out that so many gay men have become so disaffected that they would find solace in a community of voluntarily self-infected men.
I know BJ doesn’t too much like to delve into the personal lives of the pornstars, but this one seems different, at least for me. I literally cannot watch Scott O’Hara, because he was literally encouraging seroconversion by talking about how much “love” there was among those who subscribed to it. Fortunately there’s PrEP (or is it PReP, I can’t remember) so that stops some of it in its tracks.
Note to zephyr: I see why you’re so careful about Covid, and I should perhaps be more so, although I am vaccinated up the yin-yang, meaning 4 Moderna shots, and have been tested regularly, including at the second ER Wed. night.
yes, you are right – I tend to avoid serious discussions here, and online in general – the medium doesn’t lend itself well to that. Scott O’Hara’s later views I haven’t read much about – I’ll take your word for it. Earlier, he was a critic of Falcon and others for NOT requiring condoms on set.
but I will challenge you to back up this claim – “bug-chasing” was huge.
nope. not huge. unless your definition of huge is actually much much smaller than mine – the PUBLICITY about it, and breathless news stories – THOSE were huge – but the numbers who participated, nope. Or “huge” meaning more than should have, then perhaps.
Back to Scott – his autobiography was quite fascinating – if there is anything in there about “bug-chasing” or the like, I must have forgotten. But I think his embrace of such things came later than the book. (I am certainly happy to be corrected)
I too had heard about Scott asking for condoms to be used at Falcon, and claiming his concerns were brushed aside. Falcon was probably the last of the big studios to make the switch to safe sex, as even in 1990 or possibly later they were still showing raw fucking. One example I know is Plunge, with Lon Flexx and Joey Stefano near a hot tub, super hot sex scene (I loved Lon, and Joey was legendary esp. when he developed a sort of James Dean quality after he died) but sad that neither would be alive five years later. Falcon still believed in the powers of nonoxynol-9 and thought that was a way to avoid condoms being shown, not knowing that it was neutral in terms of HIV prevention or even made things worse.
I don’t mean to hijack your response to parisian but in terms of Scott, by the 90s I had the impression that it wasn’t so much sero-conversion that he was for. Rather I think he was advocating for poz guys to fuck each other exclusively and that way they could fuck raw and swallow as many loads as they wanted without harming anyone who was still negative. Those are two different concepts. Of course medically that behavior leads to the possibility of creating new strains of HIV and is still risky for the guys involved, but it’s also an attempt to self-corral the spread. Had Scott lived a few years longer it wouldn’t have surprised me to see him show in in some Treasure Island Media or Hot Desert Knights bareback movies once the stigma on those started to break, and the pendulum swing the other way.
That could well be true, and I just didn’t absorb it right. There was still something that just turned me off about him. Maybe it was just not any interest on my part to get in on all the jollies of Hiv Positive. Some of Scott’s descriptions of big orgies in Grifith Park, in which he says “I am only interested in pleasure” just wouldn’t come across as anything but desperate. Frankly, I was a little surprised with every test, but was always incredibly grateful. I did play *Russian Roulette* with a hot Cuban lover in 1992 and we flip-flopped barebacked for a few weeks, so i just have to count my blessings. Otherwise, always condoms.
Okay, I won’t write any more about him on this blog anymore. This time I just kept thinking “Oh, I hope Justin didn’t catch anything from him”, so maybe the interval was wide enough, and the Cades still dream of their incomporable beauty.
btw Obsessed, while I Love Joe fucking Justin, I would in this case loved even more if Joe were done on Justin’s body and they were kissing (which i usually don’t care much for) and really making love, with Justin’s Ass being fed nothing but the Pleasure known onlh to Prick.
Had to add this: I’d love Justin’s legs wrapped around Joe’s back as they were kissing and fucking. That because my 100% default position. I didn’t even mind that it as *MAKING LOVE*, and I’m sure they did it that way a LOT. I kept my legs loose so my lover could pull in and out as much as possible. I can’t get over the beauty of the Cade Cousins as a couple and have no idea how such a dumb idea as getting divorced ever entered their minds.
I just read the wiki for bug-chasing. It’s been a while since that post, probably2 years. The percentage, whatever it was, seemed to me a lot, but I’d probably think any amount was a lot. There were considerable numbers, some thought it it made them “more masculine” to seroconvert, which seems to me ludicrous, but that was their life. There’s enough there in the wiki article for me, and I would imagine Scott O’Hara just got into the scene after he was diasgnosed as posiive–there wasn’t that much else to do if you were immersed in gay porn and were positivle. If I said HUGE wrongly, that’s just bad memory, tnere were still a lot of incidents, PrEP has been helpful against some of their wills—the ones who went on trial for purposely infecting others I dlon’t have any sympathy for, though.
I do find it curious that it is thought “masculine” by some. wnen I can’t see a thing masculine about geting yoursefl infected on purpose. But who cares what I think? I don’t feel the least less masculine or not getting HIV+, and am altogether pleased I’ve been able to sustain this for 40 years.
I’m not going to condemn any of it any more than ass destruiction by fisting except in the cases (and there have been spme) of guys who have sometimes even raped other ones knowing they are themselves positivle and infecting other boys. If people want to mutiliate their bodies with all sorts of toys and ruin their assholes that’s their business. But seroconversion is a total fantasy in terms of it conferimg “masculinity”: It is not masculine in any way, in fact it coud be said to be totally submisive. It would also mean all str8 mean were feminine, which they are assuredly not. There are all kinds o sick people of all sexes. If I’d been positive, I’d probably have done the “cocktail”, but maybe even killed myself. Npt that I tnink hiv guys should do that: they can find enough other poz guys to fuck, and I’d think most would want that.
Scott’s essay I first read after he was posiive was in a book of gay essays called Policing Public Sex from the late 90s. Walt Odets also wrote there, and was lamenthg lack of a vaccine at the time. I guess there still isn’t one.
The concept of bugchasing certainly existed, and probably still does, though as has been said it’s different now with the drugs that can keep HIV at bay and lead some poz guys to be undetectable. I think BJ is right in that the number of actual people who pursued that was exaggerated and massively hyped, and used by certain groups to push their own agendas or for underhanded purposes, trying to shame all gay guys but especially anyone who became poz, and became a sort of moral panic with the coverage it got.
I know this is a fictional example but on the US/Canadian version of Queer As Folk, Michael’s boyfriend Ben was poz, and at one point in the show’s run someone asked Ben to fuck him, partly because Ben was hot (which he was) but also because this character from a single episode, had decided he would rather be poz himself so he could stop worrying about every trick or relationship he had and whether it might happen accidentally, and so not have to wear condoms. Ben refused, later Ben saw him in a library and the guy told Ben that he went to a bareback party and took a bunch of raw loads so hopefully that did the trick, and of course it was presented as this topic-of-the-week, melodramatic effect thing. And that character was never mentioned again. But that did represent a subsection of the negative guys irl at the time, 90s and into the 00s especially, who may have considered that as a viable alternative.
I also didn’t intend to dismiss your assumptions about Scott specifically because he likely did have a transformation of his beliefs once he discovered he was poz, as happens to many people in that situation. And I have read some of the articles and poetry he wrote, though by no means all of it. In fact a point confirming your suspicions is mentioned in Scott’s wiki article, where it says:
“He called his HIV infection, which he believed he contracted in 1981, ‘an undeniable blessing’ and ‘admired…tremendously’ two people who ‘consciously made the decision to seroconvert’ ” and that is followed by a couple of citations from his writings.
Certainly at the time Scott learned he was poz there were very few options available and it was seen as a death sentence, and often was as we all unfortunately know. Scott was likely a complex thinker and while he may have wanted to corral the spread by encouraging poz guys to fuck themselves when possible, by maintaining his sex-positive outlook he may have also adopted the belief that if a guy is old enough to consent to sex, then he has the right to make any decisions about what he does. Including whether or not to bareback, and accept the consequences himself, making it fall under personal choice akin to whether or not to drink, smoke, do drugs, weat a helmet on a motorcycle or a seat belt in a car, etc.
So I think he may have held shifting and complex opinions about the topic, colored by his own status as well as in reaction to the loudest of the homophobic and judgemental voices condemning all gay sex, but especially when poz guys did it. I didn’t mean to claim you were wrong, though it may not have been as widespread as you indicated you thought it was, since there was probably some truth to that. Sorry long comment but at least this one is safely filed away on a years-old post and not on BJ’s current front page.
Thanks, very elucidating!